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Karl
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posted 09-28-1999 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Karl     Edit/Delete Message
Skin prick testing shows I have low level reactions to milk, eggs, beef, and peanuts. Does anyone know the accuracy of such tests and has anyone been told they have food allergies and once they have abstained (from offending foods) got better???

Karl

Skeeter
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posted 09-30-1999 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skeeter   Click Here to Email Skeeter     Edit/Delete Message
I get tested in a week or so for food allergies. At that time I plan to ask a lot of questions. I'm curious about the same things.

Skeeter

eric
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posted 09-30-1999 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eric   Click Here to Email eric     Edit/Delete Message
Here is a website on food allergies. http://www.foodallergy.org/
Hope that helps ya.

silver
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posted 09-30-1999 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silver   Click Here to Email silver     Edit/Delete Message
I think the only way to know for sure is to avoid the food you tested positive for and see if your condition improve. Food testing is not accurate as far as I know, you can react just as much to food you are not allergic to as to the ones you are. If you dont see an improvement when you avoid the food then you are probably not allegic to it. Alot of times is an intolerance to the specific food. Have you tried rotating the offending foods you eat say every 3 or 4 days? Sometimes thats all it takes. Good luck.

moldie
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posted 09-30-1999 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
My father-in-law had some success staying away from the foods he found he was allergic to and then slowly added them in a year later and is doing better and no longer showing he is allergic to them.

Personally I had blood, intradermal, and sublingual testing done by an Environmental Allergist. The sublingual testing was amazing to me, as the suspected allergen they placed under my tongue caused the same reaction I had after eating/drinking. My abdomen became swollen out (visibly-my husband saw it!), and I had a dull ache, as well as an increase in post-nasal drip. Then they placed the antigen under my tongue and my symptoms subsided! They tested with placebos and I did not know what they were giving me or when. I have done well staying away from these allergens. I was also given antigen drops for home use. I am not sure if they work or not. Really, how would I know if they work or the fact that I stay away from the allergens worked.

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Gail Holt
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posted 09-30-1999 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gail Holt   Click Here to Email Gail Holt     Edit/Delete Message
Re...tests.

Were they expensive...? I would like to give it a shot. I think it would be worth your time and effort to abstain from these food items.

moldie
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posted 10-01-1999 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome Gail! Sorry to say they are indeed expensive, but my insurance covered most of it. I do believe it was worth my while, as there are so many hidden ingredients in things we eat. I was found to be sensitive to citric acid-very common for many with IBS. It is a preservative made from fermented sugars. It is naturally found, however in coffee, citrus fruits, and tomatoes. A lot of other fruits have it in (peaches highest next to citrus) but others are much lower in content. Look for citric acid to be added to tomato products, juices, and lighter colored or fruity sodas. All sodas are good to stay away from as they have 0 nutritional value and do the body more harm than good. They contain Benzoic acid which I was also found allergic to. I was also found sensitive to candida and other molds indicating a probable over-growth of candida albicans due to taking antibiotics. Therefore I have to stay away from sugars and was given an oral antifungal to treat it. (There is often a connection with developing allergies after one has candidiasis). I see you are a nurse Gail. I was in nursing for 20 years as an LPN. There is indeed controversey between the medical profession as to the validity of this. I was skeptical at first, but since I have obtained help with this treatment when no other help was offered, I decided there must be something to it. Unfortunately I and my physcicians didn't wise up sooner; as I suffered for a few years until I was at the end of my rope with this. I hear they are coming around now. What are your symptoms Gail? There is a candida page
on the web you can check out. If you have
been on antibiotics, birth control, or steroids and especially if you have had any vag infections, this might be worth your while to check out too.


panix.com/~candida is full of information.

As in all health conditions, there are a few unconventional and questionable sites that just want to sell you something; but there are several reputable ones as well. Good luck with your search. Not all allergy clinics are the same either. Find out what you are getting before you make your appointment. You can check out the price then too of course, as they differ as well. Then if you have insurance, check to see what is covered.
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[This message has been edited by moldie (edited 10-01-1999).]

flux
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posted 10-01-1999 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message
Some years ago, Dr. Orian Truss proposed that the yeast Candida albicans, could make people sick all over. Shortly after that, William G. Crook popularized this no-tion in a book called The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough. In it, he explains that many nonspecific symptoms (included in his list are a dizzying array of symptoms including common ones like headache, fatigue, and insomnia) are the result of a chronic, often systemic infection by this yeast, a condition commonly referred to as Candida-related complex (CRC). According to his hypothesis, the problem starts from faulty dietary habits (e.g., diets high in refined sugars, alcohol) and consumption of antibiotics and birth control pills. These allow Candida to take hold in the body, producing toxins, which in turn weaken the immune system, causing symptoms. Rather than providing scientific evidence (such as a demonstration of Koch’s postulates, a set of requirements considered the gold standard for demonstrating the infectious origin of a condition), he provides anecdotes, especially from patients who have improved on anti-fungal therapies (some of his own devising) ( ). Aside from this flimsy evidence, his proposed relationship to Candida and body symptoms is inconsistent with the medical literature on real candidiasis. According to that, only a select group of individuals, namely those whose immune systems are com-promised, such as those with AIDS or those with cancer on chemotherapy, or those on long-term antibiotics are at significant risk of acquiring candidiasis ( ). In addition, when it strikes these individuals systemically, they become very ill requiring hospitalization ( ). Often, the infection is limited to the mouth and esophagus of the GI tract ( ). When infecting the mouth, it is called thrush. (It is important to distinguish this from another common condition called hairy tongue. The latter condition is a manifestation of an overgrowth of the filliform papillae of the tongue ( ) and is often due to either local irritation, such as smoking or to a systemic cause, such as antibiotics [though antibiotics can cause thrush as well]. The actual mechanism that brings a hairy tongue about is unknown, although Candida is not involved.)

Despite this discrepancy, a few studies have examined CRC hypothesis directly. In a study of 100 persons suffering from chronic fatigue, ( )[to be filled in]. Concerning IBS, there was an interesting study in the journal Mycosis where thirteen people who believed they suffered from therapy-resistant intestinal candidiasis were carefully tested ( ). Only three had Candida albicans in their guts, but in none was there any infection present.

One of the glaring inconsistencies with the CRC diagnosis is the rationale behind the now famous anti-Candida diet. This diet is specifically geared to withholding food that the yeast depend upon for survival, specifically simple sugars. It seems based on a super-simplified premise that the body is nothing more than a simple box with yeast sitting at the bottom and ingested food simply falls upon the yeast for their consumption. Were it so the case, then virtually all bacterial infections could be treated in the same way as virtually all life depends upon simple sugars for survival. Of course, it is not that way at all. Consumed food is digested and absorbed. Simple sugars are the first ones to get in the bloodstream so that they can supply the body cells, which require them to survive. Thus unless a person is malabsorbing sugars (see food malabsorption), very little sugar will reach whatever yeast there are living in the distal intestine. And were it the case that the yeast were systemic, it is physically impossible that any diet could limit the amount of sugars reaching them as the body must maintain blood glucose levels within a limited range; otherwise, the body cells themselves would quickly starve and die.

Ironically, simple organisms, like yeast and bacteria are hardy creatures able to with-stand environmental extremes, such as being starved, far more easily than the cells of complex organisms, so even if it were possible to starve a pathogen without starving the host simultaneously, that would not necessarily affect kill them.
In addition, the manufacturer of the liquid form of the common anti-fungal drug Nystatin is in a 50% sugar solution ( ) and that is one of therapies Crook recom-mends for treating the condition, an apparent contradiction of his own anti-Candida diet.

A logical question following this is how those claiming to suffer from this condition actually find relief from the anti-Candida diet. As previously mentioned, there are a number of ways that questionable medical practices work; however, in this case, changing one’s diet is a standard practice in IBS therapy, and the anti-Candida diet may coincidentally achieve that effect. Incidentally, it does not necessarily follow that this particular diet is wise in IBS therapy, for it is not really well balanced.

moldie
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posted 10-02-1999 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
Never mind flux; his main objective on these sites is to impress people with his very narrow-minded research knowledge. He prints this on every site after every candida posting he finds, as you see he has been writing a paper on this over the last few years. The research material is very antiquated, but still he persists. He definitely has some agenda. It has been difficult for the medical profession to admit they have made some mistakes in indescriminately ordering medications without considering the long-term health effects. The drug companines have played a big part in this with the pressure they apply to sell their latest miraculous "cures". Drug-induced colitis is finally being recognized by those in the medical community. Please refer to the search at the top of this BB and type in candida and charlie for his post; or LindaB for her posting on it. These are from prestiges medical and governmental agencies. Princessraye also has her testiomonial on it. Neither she, nor I are trying to sell you anything; but offer you hope in case this might pertain to you. If you follow the diet described above and perhaps add in some probiotics; you may begin to see a difference. If there is some improvement, it may be a clue; and it won't cost you anything. Good luck, and best wishes to you.

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sa
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posted 10-02-1999 06:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message
My essay is based on the latest information available, including partially on what Charlie posted.

flux
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posted 10-02-1999 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message
My essay is based on the latest information available, including partially on what Charlie posted.

Joyce
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posted 10-02-1999 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joyce     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah!!.......moldie,

couldn't have said it better myself..

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Don't make ME come down there!!. GOD


moldie
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posted 10-02-1999 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
Nystatin solution hasn't been used in years. Like I said- based on old research! Who is sa anyway? Another one of your incognitoes flux?

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Michelle(USA)
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posted 10-03-1999 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michelle(USA)     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm. I think I smell a med student. Flux, you act like one anyway. You are too curt, condescending, and abrasive. If your purpose is to communicate a point,you would be much more effective to remember the fact that you are talking to real PEOPLE with serious health issues. I can't decide if you are accidently behaving this way, or if you enjoy being rude. I certainly hope it is ignorance.

flux
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posted 10-03-1999 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message
Of course, Nystatin liquid is still in use today. See http://www.jag.on.ca/PDI%20Pamphlets/Nystatin.html for instructions on how to use the liquid formulation.

(I post only under the name flux. "sa" was a mistake. The BB software allows posting unregistered names.)

[This message has been edited by flux (edited 10-03-1999).]

moldie
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posted 10-03-1999 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
As you can see, it is used for thrush now, not yeast in the gut. The sugar in it is to make it pallatible where your taste buds are; as you are using it as a swish and is in your mouth longer. They don't use it (at least those who know what they are doing today) for candida problems of the bowel. The sugar in there causes more gut fermentation which is a problem with those with candida of the bowel (gas and bloating). Fermentation is not a problem in the mouth as it is in the bowel. This is nothing more than some information from a drug company and does not have anything to do with the treatment used today for candida of the bowel. Why is it that when you print information it seems it is nothing more than rhetoric from you; as you don't provide references as to where the information originally came from? I want the names of the reference books, authors, researchers names, and year the research was done, and the book was written. If you are going to print something like that, please give credit as to where you found your information.

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flux
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posted 10-03-1999 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message
It is certainly used for Candida in the gut because it is not absorbed systemically, it is relatively free of side effects. Of course, having Candida in one’s gut is highly unusual, so you won’t probably see that use mentioned much.

Candida in the gut is not known to cause gas or bloating.

These are references for the article above; I haven’t got all the bookkeeping right yet (there are several missing), but this will give you an idea of where to look.

book review of crook’s book

McCullough MJ, Ross BC, Reade PC. Candida albicans: a review of its history, taxon-omy, epidemiology, virulence attributes, and methods of strain differentiation. Interna-tional Journal of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery 1996 Apr;25(2):136–44

severity of systemic yeast

Trier JS, Bjorkman DJ. Esophageal, gastric, and intestinal candidiasis. American Journal of Medicine 1984 Oct 30;77(4D):39–43.

Svejda J, Skach M, Plackova A. Hairlike variations of filiform papillae in the human tongue. Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, Oral Pathology 1977 Jan;43(1):97–105.

Renfro L, Feder HM Jr. Lane TJ, Manu P, Matthews DA. Yeast connection among 100 patients with chronic fatigue. American Journal of Medicine 1989 Feb;86(2):165–8.

Seebacher C. Mycophobia—a new disease? Mycoses 1996;39 Suppl 1:30–2.

PDR insert on Nystatin

I just found another one...

The role of faecal Candida albicans in the pathogenesis of food-intolerant irritable bowel syndrome Middleton SJ; Coley A; Hunter JO Postgrad Med J, 68(800):453-4 1992 Jun
Candida albicans was sought in stool samples from 38 patients with irritable bowel syndrome and 20 healthy controls. In only three patients with irritable bowel syndrome was C. albicans discovered and these patients had either recently received antibiotics or the stool sample had been delayed more than 24 hours in transit. C. albicans was isolated from none of the control stool samples. We conclude that C. albicans is not involved in the aetiology of the irritable bowel syndrome.

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moldie
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posted 10-04-1999 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moldie     Edit/Delete Message
I am not here to say that all IBS people have a problem with candida. What I am saying, as you stated in the report- those who have been on antibiotics have a more than normal growth with it. Combine that with a slow transit prolem also mentioned in your report; (which I had-constipation) and you could have problems. Why do you suppose an antifungal such as Diflucan (I am not saying Nystatin as that is not the drug found most effective with this infection); works in relieving the bowel symptoms for those who have taken antibioics? Candida does not directly cause the gas and bloating; but it is the result of the over-growth that leads to malabsorption and eventual gut fermentation as a result. This could relate to the problem with a high sugar diet making symptoms worse. The allergies are as a result of gut permeability due to the destruction of the wall of the bowel by the candida overgrowth. The over-growth was a result of the healthy flora being killed by the antibiotics used; as they normally keep the candida in check. This does not pertain to all people with IBS. The groundwork for IBS to occur most probably has already been layed out in the genes. The condition is exacerbated by the over-use of antibiotics (and other hormonal drugs that stimulate the growth of candida).

I am not surprised with the medical profession and pharmaceutical companies trying to refute it's existance, since the problem was innocently or irresponsibly; created by them. This seems to be the only references you get your information from, since that is your venue. I like to see independent sources from research labs not associated in any way with drug companies or the medical association.

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[This message has been edited by moldie (edited 10-04-1999).]

flux
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posted 10-04-1999 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message
What you mentioned above has not been documented.

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