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tina
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posted 03-20-1999 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tina   Click Here to Email tina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
has anyone tried the colon cleansing? i am asking because right now its the big thing at my health club. i have ibs-d. i feel i am already cleaned out. could this be helpful or hurtful, and are there any side effects? thanks

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posted 03-20-1999 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(Since Bob like my Candida piece, here is my colonic irrigation piece...)

A colonic irrigation involves flushing the colon with huge volumes of water. Usu-ally, it is performed by someone who routinely does this procedure. Basically, the patient lies stomach-side down on a table and the practitioner passes a tube into the rectum. This tube is connected to a tap water feed and water is allowed to pass into the colon for about 45 minutes to an hour. During this time, the anus is allowed to drain feces. The primary principle motivating this therapy is that stool becomes "stuck" in the colon and this buildup of stool causes the buildup of toxins, which can make one sick. In fact, advocates of this procedure may claim that they have found motherís breast milk or even a childís nails (from nailbiting in childhood) in the colon of an adult!

These claims are without merit. Normally, the digestive system does not tolerate such a buildup of stool ( ). It prevents this by employing a housekeeping activity known as the migrating motor complex, or MMC for short. Every day a wave of peristalsis sweeps over the entire length of the digestive tract, moving material along. Of course, it is possible that the MMC is not working right. The result is a slowing of movement in the GI tract, known as stasis, which can lead to bacterial overgrowth in the small bowel. However, colonic irrigations do not reach the small bowel.

Finally, toxins, such as ammonia, are not allowed to buildup in the digestive tract. Whether one is constipated or not, there is a continual supply of new material en-tering the colon. So old or new, toxins must continually be processed by the liver. They buildup only if there is a problem with liver function, as in hepatic encephalo-pathy ( ).

In addition to the illogical basis for colonic irrigations, there are potential dangers. First, putting a large volume of water in the intestine can lower the osmotic poten-tial in the lumen forcing important minerals, such as potassium, to leak out of the body, resulting in an electrolyte abnormality. Further, it is possible to damage the rectum when placing the speculum (the tip of the tube that enters the rectum) causing a rectal prolapse or other damage to the rectum ( ). Finally, if the instru-ments used are not sterile, the patient might develop an infection with a dangerous pathogen ( ).

gal4
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posted 03-20-1999 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gal4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Boy! Talk about more information than I really wanted to know! That little number won't be in my appointment book.

[This message has been edited by gal4 (edited 03-20-99).]

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posted 03-20-1999 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nicol   Click Here to Email Nicol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have also heard of a herbal type of colon cleansing were you take a bunch of herbs and live on certain juices for a week or so. It is a lot like a detox but with different stuff. I do not know why anyone with diarreah would need to do this but if you feel really sluggish or yucky a detox might help. I personally would never recommend that water procedure to anyone with IBS. Things are irritated enough in there thank you.

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posted 03-20-1999 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TERIO   Click Here to Email TERIO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My doctor (GI) said that's a no no for people with IBS, our inners are too sensitive for a procedure like that.

tina
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posted 03-20-1999 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tina   Click Here to Email tina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is a herb type drug that they are taking i am sorry i didn't make myself very clear. i didn't realize there was an actual procedure to have this done. i don't think i want a tube up my anal for a cleanse. yuk. this cleanse method is supposed to help you have more energy and help loose weight.

musem
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posted 03-20-1999 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pretty complete, flux. In most places, tapwater should be ok, so that's not normally an issue. Do they run the tapwater into a bucket (well, a high quality bucket, but a bucket nonetheless ) or do they use a pressure regulator? I'd expect a bucket, since tapwater is 80psi, and more than sufficient to rupture a colon if the regulator failed.

It's not a regulated procedure, is it? In other words, if I wanted to rent an office, buy the equipment, and start doing this, I could without being a doctor, right? Anybody want to be my first client?

In any case, this procedure has dubious health benefits, is potentially harmful or fatal, and is just downright stupid. Don't do it.

bob

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posted 03-21-1999 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tina, I assumed that because you mentioned a health club rather than the "fancy" laxatives sold in the health food stores. I think those are safer.

Anyway, colonic irrigations are not regulated (in the US) for the most part, so you could set up shop right in your own abode.

I found a great site for you do-it-yourselfers:
http://www.homecolonics.com/

So much for the saying: "Don't do this at home."

[This message has been edited by flux (edited 03-21-99).]

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posted 03-21-1999 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heykate   Click Here to Email heykate     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I am stymied. I find myself agreeing with you, Flux . From all I've heard, Flux is completely right - it is unnecessary and can be (as Bob said) downright (dangerous) stupid. Because of our IBS, we seem to be sitting ducks for every quack thing that comes along. I've done some studying myself on this "cure," (having been approached a couple of times) and found it to be quite bogus. Ask any MD - this is ONE place (most) of them agree, (when it comes to IBS - that's not usually the case.)

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