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hypnotist
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posted 09-02-1998 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypnotist   Click Here to Email hypnotist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy candidate who has been treating IBS symptoms using hypnosis for 3-4 years. I only take refractory IBS clients who are willing to work closely with both myself and their MD. To date, 100% of my clients have gained significant relief form their symptoms. 93% have become symptom free and have remained symptom free in spite of high stress levels and other things we know aggreviate IBS symptoms. I am in frequent contact with the other people who are doing this research/work both in england and the US. We have all gotten similar results and in the same percentage ranges. However, my clients have gotten symptom relief much faster than theirs. We are exchanging information currently trying to figure out why this is happening.

Some of the things we do know is that to be effective over the long term, hypnosis must be a multi-session approach over a period of a few months. In addition, hypnosis must be personalized to the individual needs/problems and their predominant method of processing information.

I have recently been asked to make presentations on this therapy for IBS symptoms at a couple of national conferences. I would like to hear from any of you who have tried hypnosis for relief from your IBS symptoms and what your experiences have been. I want to be able to present an overview of not just the results of my research and work, but that of your experiences also. We know that in England, hypnosis is the standard treatment for IBS symptoms. I'm trying to figure out why it has not been more readily embraced in the US?

Possibly one reason is the lack of training most hypnotherapists in this country have in treating IBS problems. If they don't have the proper training, they probably try to treat it with a one or two session approach. The person improves but then there is a gradual creeping back of symptoms. Hypnotherapy represents a relatively brief, benign and inexpensive therapy which should get more credence than it has. can anyone shed some light on why this has not taken off? I sincerely would appreciate the feedback.

Patricia
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posted 09-02-1998 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patricia   Click Here to Email Patricia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, I can't help with experience of hypnotherapy, but I do have a question: Do you know of any people like you practising in Toronto, Canada?

I am currently researching and considering taking mild doses of anti-depressants, but would consider hypnotism as an alternative, if I could find someone expert in treating this gut-wrenching problem.

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posted 09-02-1998 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for flux   Click Here to Email flux     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't believe your results and I think the conference goers are likely to be in for shall I say some suggestive data.

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posted 09-02-1998 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nu   Click Here to Email Nu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hypnotist
I'm originally from the UK and as for Hypnopherapy being the norm for IBS treatment...that to my knowledge (and all my family and friends knowledge) is not true. The standard treatment in the UK is still very much 'Live with it' and spend a fortune in Boots the Chemist on preperations that might help.
I myself underwent Hypnosis in Australia for IBS and found it actually made matters worse. The suggestion that my 'Psychic Healing Bag' would deal with the stomach ills and I really didn't need to panic was utter nonsense...It led to accidents in the pants on at least one occasion. Bowel incontinence is a real thing and statements like 100% of patients are getting relief is putting out false hope.
If you are prepared to come to Australia, treat me and CURE ME then I will back your claims, however from personal experience I must say...It's not being widely accepted because it's not widely acceptable.
Nu.

(I will say however that hynosis was very useful in quitting smoking).

DocJ
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posted 09-03-1998 08:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We work closely with a clinical psychologist who has an interest in anxiety and stress management in chronic conditions.

While encouraging, the claim that hypnotherapy has resulted in "significant relief" in 100% and "symptom free" in 93% should be viewed with caution. To my knowledge, and that of our psychologist, no one has results anywhere near that. Secondly, given the heterogenous nature of IBS, it is illogical to expect that any one therapy will be effective universally. Thirdly, I don't think that I've seen a therapy in ANY field of medicine that was universally successful.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm and am as interested as anyone in effective IBS therapies, conventional or alternative, I think that I would be more interested in results of randomized, blinded studies published in peer reviewed journals.

Keep us informed of your progress!

[This message has been edited by DocJ (edited 09-03-98).]

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posted 09-03-1998 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypnotist   Click Here to Email hypnotist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I started my professional career as a research pharmacist for a Fortune 50 pharmaceutical manufacturer so I am not inexperienced in designing and running well controlled double blind studies. I am not asking you to take my word for the results my clients have gotten. Do search of the world medical literature and of what is available on the internet and see for yourself. Go to http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/living/980825.lvg4.html and tohttp://www.ivanhoe.com/docs/backissues/hypnosisandibsupdate.html and then go to your library and get them to reprint articles from the Lancet 1989Feb25;1(8635):424-5 and the Medical Tribune(Family Physician Edition) 1997Jun5;38(11)2. In addition, contact Olafur S. Palsson, Psy.D. at Eastern Virginia Medical School Behavioral Medicine Clinic, 721 Fairfax Avenue, suite 506, Norfolk,Va. 23501-1980 and J. P. Whorwell, MD at the University of Manchester Hospital in Manchester, England. These people and a number of others in the US and England have pioneered this technique & had their results published in a number of respected medical journals. They have all obtained similar results. I did not dream this up and go off on some tangent and claim fabulous results without credence. The research in this area has been published consistantly for the past 15 years. I found it while trying to gain some relief for my own uncontrolled IBS symptoms. I have greatfully been symptom free for approximately 3 years.

However, I have never and will never propose that any course of action will work for 100% of the people 100% of the time. There are no magic bullets. But, I still maintain that the clients I have worked with who had been diagnosed with refractory IBS symptoms gained significant relief from their symptoms. They did not come into my program because they believed in hypnosis. In fact, the only one who did believe hypnosis might give him some relief has gained the least relief from his symptoms. The others were simply desperate and had not gotten relief by any other means. They were surprised and , frankly, at first , so was I.

I am not asking for your blessings. They are irrelevant to me. I am simply asking for people who have had experience using hypnosis for relief of IBS symptoms to contact me and answer some questions. I don't care if you were able to get help through hypnosis or not. I am trying to gather data on the type of suggestions used, which worked, which didn't, the number of sessions, information on how the sessions were conducted, if any self hypnosis was employed between sessions, the time perod between sessions, etc. This information can help us get another perspective on what does and does not work in the area of using hypnosis for IBS symptom relief. I think all of you would agree with the concept that what works for one person will not necessarily work for another but that the greater the number of perspectives we have on a problem, the greater the likelyhood that we will gain insight into what does and doesn't work. Or are your symptoms so well controlled that you don't think we need any further investigation into what to do for IBS?

I am not trying to solicit you as a client and I have nothing to sell. I will not profit one cent by your believing in my work or not. I am trying to refine an approach which has worked well for a number of IBS sufferers. How can that be wrong?

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posted 09-03-1998 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobJ   Click Here to Email BobJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hypnotist,

Wow, that was a snappy reply you just did there.

This board is populated by many IBS veterans and reasonable folks. You must understand that most of us have tried one remedy after another and still not found our "magic bullet", so naturally we are skeptical and cautious, especially measuring the numbers you posted against our own rates of success. I don't know that anyone is "calling you out" or challenging your integrity as much as just voicing some natural skepticism. So, if you've got some good info or approaches, sooner or later they will be recognized.

I've not myself tried hypnosis, so I can't answer any of your questions about # of sessions, experiences, etc. I can only speculate on your question on "why it has not been more readily embraced in the US?".

My thought is that since IBS, even for those of us who are predominantly stress triggered, still has a functional component of flawed motility and therefore, no matter how much the mind-gut, stress, or whatever you want to call it, connection is treated, there will always be a remnant of the physical flaw that would prevent hypnosis from being seen as 100% successfull. Again, this is just speculation on my part from my own experiences and what I've seen from other IBSers. Today is a good example for me. I had some very stressfull moments this morning, and fully expected an attack, but
none came. Yesterday, no stress but BOOM, I had an episode. Was it something I ate, was it a motility malfunction brought on by a trigger other than stress? Don't know...

And finally, I compliment and commend your efforts to search for some kind of relief for (at least) some of us. Good luck and I hope you come up with something. Believe me, if you do and it works for a lot of folks across the spectrum of symptoms, we will all try it.

Hang in...

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posted 09-03-1998 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BobJ   Click Here to Email BobJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
P.S. to my post above: I realize my speculation does not really answer your question of why the hypnosis treatment is not as readily accepted or used in the US. If there is any validity to my notion, it would of course apply to all, no matter what the geography. So, go figure...

Good luck, again.

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posted 09-06-1998 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Murphey   Click Here to Email Murphey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not tried hypnotism but I do have an opinion on why people in the United States do not try alternative remedies before trying conventional medicine. For the most part ( and DocJ please forgive me, I do not mean to make any derogatory remarks about the medical profession) I have found that Drs in the US treat symtoms most of the time without trying to understand the psyche, as if the two were completely separate. We have grown up believing that the body and the mind are two completely different things and not inter-connected. So, when a person has a symptom, like chronic constipation or explosive diahrrea the first thing that happens is they are given a laxative or immodium. I have never had a Dr. ask me, well, have you been under any stress lately? Have you felt depressed? Do you ever have panic attacks? I believe that these could be very important key questions that might give a Dr. some information that could help. I have offered that information to Drs too and they have been ignored as if these things could not possibly have anything to do with one another An example of this is, I know 3 people with Epstien-Barr (chronic fatigue syndrome). Now I have known these people for a long time and ALL of them are people who I have always thought were severly depressed but they are not being treated for depression. The aches and pains are being treated but I think (my opinion like I know anything HA HA) that depression may be the root of it all. I have lived overseas on two different continents and I have been to 43 countries so I have a different perspective on things. I have seen a lot of things that I cannot explain so I usually am more open minded to alternative ideas but most people in the U.S. aren't because they were brought up to think differently. I have seen some recent advances lately however. My HMO is giving courses in meditation/stress management, offering acupuncture and midwife birthing at the hospital..so there is hope for the future. My opinions only! take care.

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posted 09-06-1998 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for biddy   Click Here to Email biddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that many people in the US don't take hypnotism seriously because it is presented to us by the media and society as well, as laughable and inane. I think back to my college days and every barroom around was advetising hypnotist under the the title of comedian. I myself, even pretended to be under hypnisis, and acted like a ham. It was all in good fun, but it was not taken seriously. Please convince me other wise; I am a well conditioned skeptic.

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posted 09-16-1998 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypnotist   Click Here to Email hypnotist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the delay in responding. I've been out of the office. Yes, stage hypnosis does give the wrong impression of how hypnosis can be used advantageously. However, it is great entertainment. Remember that those people got dressed up and went out that night looking for entertainment. Then they volunteered to go on stage. Also, they've had a drink or three. All this usually adds up to great fun. But it doesn't do much for any serious image of hypnosis.

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